Bebrejd ikke frugterne deres manglende størrelse.

Comment by Janni on December 11, 2010 at 2:48pm

 Altså i gamle dage havde man en lignende test på "seriøsitet".

Hvis en anklaget heks efter at være blevet smidt bagbundet i vandet druknede, så var hun uskyldig - hvis hun flød ovenpå var hun skyldig. Resultatet var det samme. Døden.

 Man skal vel ikke genere andre mennesker ( hengivne eller ej ), blot for at teste deres seriøsitet? 

Det var mennesker med spirituel praksis, prædikeevner og motivation, der udviste den destruktive attitude og udførte de skammelige handlinger. Det var mennesker som mente de skulle måle andres Krishnabevidsthed og syntes at de havde ret til at "straffe" de syndere som var undermålere i deres øjne.

Attituden er der stadig.

Spirituelt liv sammenlignes af Prabhupad med en skrøbelig spire. Spirer er af natur sårbare og skal derfor passes på. Så dur den gamle "make them or break them" mentalitet ikke. Selv om spiren har potentiale til at blive et tusindårigt egetræ, så skal spiren behandles anderledes varsom og tålmodigt end det voksne træ.Du skriver : "Så det er fint at kritisere virkelige fejltrin, hvis det har en motiverende og opløftende effekt på ens egen og andres spirituelle praksis (i hvert fald dem der lytter med intelligens og åbent hjerte)."

Hvis en person bliver overfaldet er det vel ikke "kritik" at han/hun forsvarer sig, eller at man kommer den nødlidende til undsætning, det har vel i og for sig ikke noget med "spirituel praksis" at gøre. Det er en naturlig ting. Common sense.

Din tjener Trayimaya d.

Comment by Janni on December 19, 2010 at 7:02pm

Trist at så mange hengivne går efter manden istedetfor bolden.

Emnet jeg bragte op var; er det Krsnabevidst opdragelse at slå børn?

Srila Prabhupada siger et barn har brug for to ting kærlighed og uddannelse.

Hvis du slår dem, vil de have svært ved at acceptere det i en kærlig ånd og de vil ønske at forlade bevægelsen/krsnabevidsthed/og dig.

Så ja vi har et ansvar for hinanden og især for dem som har brug for vores beskyttelse.

Hvorfor kæmper Arjuna?

Krshna sorterer ikke nogen fra, Han forlader os ikke aldrig.

Venlig hilsen Gunamani

 

Comment by Janni on December 23, 2010 at 9:43pm

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Haribol Prabhu

Der er stor forskel på at sige at Krishna sorterer os fra og at sige at vi sorterer os selv fra.

Krsna er vores ven i den sande betydning af ordet. Han er altid ved siden af os som Paramatma. Samtidig er Han alting og til stede overalt, i smagen af vand, solen og månen og alle andre fantastiske og kraftfulde ting. som vi ser omkring os. Hvad end vi evner er også Ham.

Hvis jeg ikke husker helt forkert siger Han til Arjuna: "Declare it boldly, that my devotees never perish."

Vi er måske ikke hengivne på samme niveau som Arjuna, vi er måske faldne på mange forskellige måder og ude af stand til at udføre store ting for Krsna. Men vi kan stadig ofre de små ting, læse skrifterne, diskutere vores forståelse med andre, bede og tilbede uanset hvor og under hvilke omstændigheder vi befinder os.

Det er måske let at finde quotes af Srila Prabhupada på nettet og heldigvis for det, men der vil altid være en tendens til at undersøge det som man interesserer sig for og almindeligvis interesserer brahmacaries og sannyasies sig ikke specielt for børneopdragelse. Ellers kan jeg ikke forstå, hvordan de kan overse de mange quotes, der viser at Srila Prabhupada så børn som børn og ikke som hverken dæmoner eller forhindringer i vores åndelige liv, faktisk så han dem som vaisnavaer.

 

750320AR.CAL Lectures

”They are Vaisnavas”

And many children are taking birth. They are very nice devotees. In last, in our Sripada Atreya-muni's small child, about six months old, as soon as I shout out,
"Hare Krsna," immediately he'll... He'll laugh. Very nice. There are
many such children. So all these children, they are Vaisnavas. Sucinam srimatam gehe yoga-bhrastah sanjayate. That is the... They are given chance to take birth in
the family of Vaisnava father and mother. From the very beginning of life, they
are getting encouragement. We had such opportunity. Somehow or other, we have
come to this stage. Similarly, these children, they are getting opportunity
from the very beginning of their life.

 

 

Venlig hilsen Gunamani dasi

Comment by Janni on December 25, 2010 at 4:59pm

Det er svært at tale om citater som ikke bliver nærmere defineret. 

 I materiel bevidsthed slider vi os op for fejlbarlige soldater der ikke kan redde os fra døden, det gælder jo både for mænd og kvinder, medmindre vi er så heldige, at dem vi er knyttede til er hengivne.  

Venlig hilsen GD

Comment by Janni on December 27, 2010 at 2:59pm

Tak for Inspirationen!

Comment by Janni on December 30, 2010 at 9:16pm

Haribil Ajit Prabhu

Du har uden tvivl modtaget megen barmhjertighed.

Jeg har dog endnu ikke fundet belæg i Srimad Bhagavatam for at Krsna skulle sortere hengivne fra.

Derimod har jeg fundet en del tegn på det modsatte:

“But you should always remember that nāma cintāmaṇiḥ kṛṣṇaś caitanya-rasa-vigrahaḥ: [Cc. Madhya 17.133] Kṛṣṇa and Kṛṣṇa's name nondifferent. As soon as you chant Hare Kṛṣṇa, that means Kṛṣṇa is dancing on your tongue. You should be careful in that way. Just
like if Kṛṣṇa... As you offer so
much respect to your spiritual master as soon as he's present, so if Kṛṣṇa is present on your tongue, how much careful you should be. So you
should always know that Kṛṣṇa is there. Kṛṣṇa is always everywhere. God is everywhere, but we have no realization. “

 

“Religion means, generally, some kind of faith. But it is not the question of faith. It is actually developing, how much you are loving Kṛṣṇa, or God. So it is above all religions. It is not ordinary religion.
Religion means... Suppose you are Christian, I am Hindu. As soon as this body
is finished, my Christianism or religion, everything is finished. But this love
of God will not finish. It will go with you. Any birth you go, it will develop.
If you can finish, then you go directly to Kṛṣṇa, back to Godhead, and finish your all material connection. Even if you
are not able, then it goes with you. Asset. It is... The bank balance will not be
diminished. It will increase. ”

Lecture og initiation

Seattle, October 20, 1968

 

1.2.14

Therefore, with one-pointed attention, one should constantly hear about, glorify, remember and worship the Personality of Godhead, who is the protector of the devotees.

 

1.2.17 The Lord is reciprocally respondent to His devotees. When He sees that a devotee is completely sincere in getting admittance to the transcendental service of the Lord and has thus become eager
to hear about Him, the Lord acts from within the devotee in such a way that the
devotee may easily go back to Him. The Lord is more anxious to take us back
into His kingdom than we can desire. Most of us do not desire at all to go back
to Godhead. Only a very few men want to go back to Godhead. But anyone who
desires to go back to Godhead, Śrī Kṛṣṇa helps in all respects.

To become restless in the contact of women and wealth is not an astonishment, because every living being is associated with such things from remote time, practically immemorial, and it
takes time to recover from this foreign nature. But if one is engaged in
hearing the glories of the Lord, gradually he realizes his real position. By
the grace of God such a devotee gets sufficient strength to defend himself from
the state of disturbances, and gradually all disturbing elements are eliminated
from his mind."

 I forbindelse med de to jødiske kvinder og andre der har været ude for overgreb kan det meget vel være en form for healing at fortælle om det man har oplevet, eller skrive om det, som Daniel nyligt har gjort i sin bog; "My karma my faulth." Ting forsvinder ikke bare, fordi man lader som om de ikke eksisterer. Dermed ikke være sagt at man ikke skal arbejde med sig selv. Det forekommer mig bare helt forkert at man som udenforstående bebrejder ofrene, at de har det forfærdeligt med det de har oplevet. 

 It is said that during Lord Rāmacandra's rule, a brāhmaṇa... (aside:) It's not working? ...he came to the king, "My dear king, my son has died. So please explain why, in the presence of father, a son shall die." Just see how much the king was responsible. An
old father came to complain to the king, "What is the reason that in the
presence of the father, a son dies? Please explain." So just see how much
responsible government was there. The government is responsible if the son dies
before the father. Naturally, the father is older than the son, so he must die
first. So such responsible government was there. Now in the civilized world
anyone can be killed by anyone, but nobody cares for it.

SP lecture 20/oktober 1968 Seattle

Venlig hilsen Gunamani d

 

Comment by Janni on March 10, 2011 at 12:25am

S.B. 4.24.64. Purport: Remaining within the hearts of all living entities, the Lord bestows remembrance by which the living entities can enjoy certain things. Thus the living entities create their enjoyable honeycombs and then enjoy them. The example of the bees is appropriate because when bees try to enjoy their honeycomb, they have to suffer the bites of other bees. Because bees bite one another when they enjoy honey, they are not exclusively enjoying the sweetness of the honey, for there is also suffering. In other words, the living entities are subjected to the pains and pleasures of material enjoyment, whereas the Supreme Personality of Godhead, knowing their plans for sense enjoyment, is aloof from them. In the Upaniṣads the example is given of two birds sitting on a tree. One bird (the jīva, or living entity) is enjoying the fruits of that tree, and the other bird (Paramātmā) is simply witnessing. In the Bhagavad-gītā (13.23) the Supreme Personality of Godhead as Paramātmā is described as upadraṣṭā (the overseer) and anumantā (the permitter). Thus the Lord simply witnesses and gives the living entity sanction for sense enjoyment. It is the Paramātmā also who gives the intelligence by which the bees can construct a hive, collect honey from various flowers, store it and enjoy it. Although the Paramātmā is aloof from the living entities, He knows their intentions, and He gives them facilities by which they can enjoy or suffer the results of their actions.

Comment by Janni on March 10, 2011 at 11:57pm

SP. Introduction to Krsnabook:

Generally people think that by advancing the cause of moral principles and religious rites, they will be happy. Others may think that happiness can be achieved by economic development, and yet others think that simply by sense gratification they will be happy. But the real fact is that people can only be happy by loving Krsna.

 

Whatever percentage of Krsna consciousness we can perform will become an eternal asset to our life, for it is imperishable in all circumstances.

Comment by Janni on March 15, 2011 at 8:54am

Processen givet af Herren selv, ikke for at sortere nogen fra, men på grund af barmhjertighed.

Krsna er ikke tilknyttet, som vi er, Han har ikke de fire tendenser til at begå fejl, som os. Han er ikke jalous på andre, som vi er. Han behøver ikke at hævde sig på andres bekostning, som vi gør på grund af vores falske ego. Han er den bedste og mest perfekte ven, og Han venter tålmodigt på at vi skal vende os imod Ham da han også er tiden selv, samtidig med at han sender os alle mulige redningsplanker som skrifterne, processer til at rense os selv, ½sit hellige navn, andre hengivne, billeder på væggen, musik, solen og månen, smagen af vand osv osv. 

Srila Prabhupada: The seven purposes of ISKCON

3. To bring the members of the society together with eachother and nearer to Krsna the prime entity, thus developing the idea within the members and humanity at large, that each soul is part and parcel of the quality of Godhead (Krsna).

Comment by Janni on March 16, 2011 at 10:17pm

Tvinge Krishna???

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